why the hell did they feel the need to remove a high slot from the rupture :( i had a dam good setup on there and this nerfs the DPS quite a bit

other than that the changes seem fine , but why oh why did you nerf the ruppie

I feel like the right answer is to turn the Omen into a giant Slicer - make it fast with an optimal+damage bonus. Then give the Maller the brawler role with a 25m^3 drone bay.

-Liang

I, for one, will be flying Quad Light Beam Laser Omen all day erry day.

As they are now, they track about as well and have similar multifrequency and damage to Focused Medium Pulses, but are a little easier to fit, requiring less CPU, but more PG.

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Note that, as is, fitting a couple metastasis rigs puts their tracking between 220mm and 425mm autocannons, which is not bad for something with 6 km optimal range.

The Maller in its proposed form would be incredibly vulnerable against frigates; however will be sporting amazing damage potential with great range (~400 DPS max skills with two heat sinks with scorch, ~460 DPS with IN Multifreq).

I've compared the Rupture to All combat and attack cruisers and even 1 electronic warfare cruiser. The Rupture is being overshadowed in close and long range combat area by 3 - 4 other cruisers.

That list can be backed up with setups and facts. Could go into silly variables of they could encounter all day (solo or small gang).

700 dps is pretty nuts but it will struggle to deal full blaster dps in scram range due to lack of range control. Also that drone setup and no web leaves you rather suceptible to frigs.

Yeah still 600 dps and a flight of bonused lights really gets frigs. Looking good but I feel like armor tank with utility mids will be better.

This explains so many of your posts

New changes, designed to solve some of the problems brought up so far:
Note that we've upped the mass of all the Combat cruisers in part to help keep them feeling distinct from the other cruisers.

Maller: More fittings and cap to help it operate with the still difficult to use lasers. Added 3 light drones to help with damage application.
+150 PG, +20 CPU
-200 Shield, +200 Armor
+75 Capacitor, -50s Cap Recharge Time, +0.5 Cap/s
-10 Velocity, -0.04 Agility, +500,000 mass, -0.2s Align time
+15m3 Dronebay, +15mbit bandwidth

Moa: Moving a high to a mid provides more tackle and tank options at the expense of the utility high. Slightly lower speed and higher mass alongide a better tank layout and more fittings.
-1H, +1M
+50 PG, +5 CPU
+200 Shield, -200 Armor, +100 Structure
+75 Capacitor, +0.15 Cap/s
-5 Velocity, -0.02 Agility, +500,000 mass

Are you open to going back and looking at other Amarr ships in terms of cap generation?

Is there any kind of baseline that you are aiming for when it comes to how long Amarr ships should be able to operate in combat without a booster or battery?

I was in a fleet shooting I-Hubs in an Oracle last night, and with megapulse using multi-freq and a experimental MWD fitted, I was running at 36% cap, if I had to activate any other module I would have been SOL. It would be dumb to be cap stable with the MWD or a repper on, but I couldn't even activate my active hardeners without running out of cap. I think that is a problem and would like to know your thoughts. Is it mostly a problem on the larger ships?

Like the changes to the Maller. Still wish we had a missile line of ships. Feel free to add a new frig, cruiser, BS, and T2 BS as you go along.

Now with the new maller, it's completly stupid to put laser on them because you don't have dps, you have a **** of tracking etc.
when i see the new maller without dps bonus, it's clear that the best idea it's to fits them in mwd / blaster.

Moa with ASB will be OP in the same way the merlin it is now in the frig class shield resist and damage bonus are awesome together for shield tankers (its already a very good cruiser now).

the omen isn't really a strong brawler.. a 1600 omen loses to a 800 thorax if the fight starts at 0.

the omen isn't really a strong brawler.. a 1600 omen loses to a 800 thorax if the fight starts at 0.

No i said a 1600 omen couldn't win a 800 thorax = a omen with 30k ehp can't win a thorax with 20k ehp

I'm also quite sure that a Maller would lose to a shield rupture in a brawl at 0.. It wouldn't be able to keep its guns running even close to long enough to kill it..

Id give up a bit of the Maller's vaunted damage for a bit more cap time. As slow as it is, there will rarely be in 1v1 fights with it, and when it is, most of the time the opponent can just run away, letting them dictate weather the fight even happens (Poor mid slots, and / or forced need of cap battery will limit chances of locking down the opponent). The ships that will try to fight it will namely be any and every ship with a neut on board, which will strip down the Maller's ability to do anything other than drone damage amazingly fast.

*DISCLAIMER* I am going by what I see on paper, eft, and some feedback from others since I can not currently get myself onto test. So if in application this is not how it is panning out, fantastic.


~Z

to me this balancing pass gives every other race what they really want , along with some versatility , while the amarr are stuck with armour , along with no utility highs , less than average damage , and terrible cap usage

show me the fit and i'll believe you , i cant find one that break 500 dps

It does 599 DPS overheat not 709, using terrible Ammo that few people actually use in game, it has no MWD and yet still miraculously is not even close Cap Stable.

That is just painful to look at.

5% Dmg Bonus, 5 Heavy Pulse Lasers, Conflag, 3 Heatsinks.

No it is not 661 from Guns it is 479 alone, 551 Overheat. With sh*t Ammo still, no one will be using Conflag realistically, like less then Hail and Void.

I think the problem is that Scorch is overpowered and really scews the perception on amarr ships

There are a LOT of ships that are only really used because of scorch (Zealot)